Because that's an incredibly difficult thing for us to do as emotional people and emotional beings.

Yeah, absolutely.

And we're all going to hop on the train.

But we can also learn to hop on the train less.

And there are a variety of ways that we train that.

And I mean, my experience in working with athletes and surgeons is that sometimes we come to different places.

skills at different times like um so within the msor there's you know some tracking and and some practices that we use to develop that um yeah so for example one of them um is called watch your whiteboard so it's just so this is actually training it sitting down and you're just like And it's hard.

so that's not like what caitlin just said is not are not things to be um you know minimized and so i'm curious what you think as someone who's now coach surgeons what do you think about our culture in terms of developing this ability to pause the developing the ability to take a step back is that something that we need to work on more for building that into our culture and for our training i