And I meant to ask you earlier, would one of you ladies or both of you define what a no kill shelter is, what that term means?

Okay.

No Kill has been around for a long time.

And Nathan Winograd, who is an attorney out of California, if you go on his, it's called the No Kill Advocacy Center.

And we work with him a good bit.

And he is amazing.

And he coined that, basically, it is... that animals, this is the definition of it, okay? There's a big process to get there, but there's a definition.

All right, so what was the outcome of this case?