Yes.

Absolutely.

They're core to any delivery strategy.

Nothing that is done within Defence or within DSGG is done alone without the commercial sector.

In the quantum space, Australia has a really vibrant and capable, largely SME quantum system.

And the ones that I think will be the most outrageously successful are those that are able to talk to multiple markets.

So our strategy just launched last week really is the subordinate strategy to the update to the National Defence Strategy.

Is that right? I mean, what takes your interest in this area? Obviously, you're running a big organization doing a bunch of different things, but what are you excited about?

Yeah.

The reality was is some major cooperative work had to be done to shift the basis of the initial prototype so that it was something that had the right propulsion systems, the right signatures, all of the right characteristics to have that minimum viable capability.

So Ghost Shark's one good example.

There are many, many others.

I've seen time and time again, if you have the partners with the rinds- right mindset who co-own the problem and are willing to be adaptable and say, "I thought maybe this might be the solution, but now that I understand more deeply, I can see that I can harvest elements of the solution," whether it be from other industry players, DSTG, international allies, and get to that minimum viable prototype as fast as possible and do it in partnership with our ADF.

You heard, um, our Chief of the Defence Force talk abou- talk about his journey with Ghost Shark.

Right early on, he had top of mind with that particular example that this would be dead in the water if it was not able to use AI and other sophisticated techniques to avoid collisions with pleasure craft or other things that might be in the vicinity.

Okay.