It's very sneaky, isn't it? So I was hoping that you could explain how our thoughts and past experience influence our feelings and reactions in the saddle and what begins to become possible for us when we as riders start to recognise the connection about this.

Yeah, absolutely.

Look, I love that topic.

And it's quite funny.

You know, it's actually quite a timely thing.

I've had an article out on Facebook, I think, yesterday.

And the first opening kind of paragraph was, it's not a training issue, you know, that you experience in the arena.

Do they understand sort of very quickly what you are, what you're explaining to them about