Mm.

So but when I asked them if they know, they know most of the time T- TAV, uh, Be Secure, Knabber, they know, and Parental School also.

But if I asked them if they would go to train themselves, then most of the time they said, "No, there would be no need." But on the other hand, when it come to being scared, everything touching the children or getting hurt, that d- there was the most, um, coming back.

And what they would wish for, so all our institutions here in Luxembourg, they work whether with the parents or whether with the children, but one thing we didn't have yet, but I think Be Secure is, uh, developing something that is a group where children and parents can be together, being together informed about the danger.

So not that the parent is coming home, "Ah, I heard about that and that," and the teenager is, "Oh, yeah, of course, I know." But where a, a third person would inform them and they, uh, together about all the dangers and how they could use it in a different way because we-- it's not going away anymore.

That is utopic.

So we have to find a way how to deal with it in a proper way, and that is you need to educate yourself.

I mean [laughs] I'm listening to all of this and also as a parent, and I think, uh, to your point, Tanja, as well, there are so many parents that feel completely powerless because even if they try to take away the screens, again from children as they get older and stronger, it's a battle.