What sort of lessons can we learn from science and bring it over to business leadership in a more kind of simple context? What do we need to do in an organisation to help others to be more adaptable to

That's a great question because science doesn't have all the answers.

I mean, we're human beings and we have complex emotions and consciousness.

We have emerged from the primordial soup and science can't explain everything.

But as far as for leadership, business, and cultures within an organization, I think, well, Adam Grant, he's a popular writer in the business and organizational field.

In his book Originals, he describes originals, I think it's how nonconformists move the world.

He explains that originality is rejecting the default and exploring if better options exist.

I don't know what's about to happen.

What does that mean for how people experience work day-to-day?

Well, I'm a biology nerd first and foremost, and one of my favorite biologists, evolutionary biologist E. O. Wilson, I think he sums it up perfectly.

He said that the problem with humanity is that we have paleolithic emotions, medieval institutions, and god-like technology, and that tension is everything.

'Cause technology grows exponentially, and our biology simply doesn't keep up.

The same neural hardware, the way our brains are wired, was really designed to spot the predators on the savage savanna, keep us alive back in the day, and now it's responding to and processing Slack notifications and email inbox.

It grows by the minute.

It feels sentient.

If you're a leader and you're listening to this and you're like, what's sort of a key capability that you think is, is so important, so critical that almost becomes the main skill required for the future of work, and obviously to help keep workplaces really sustainable and mentally healthy?

So with that in mind, Tane, who do we want to talk to today?

I mean, Derek kind of summed it up, everyone.

Definitely in this era of rapid technological change, a lot of people are fearful of technology and feeling overwhelmed.

And I think, you know, a lot of us sacrifice our humanity for success and we try and out machine the machines.

But when we try and do that, we lose one of the few advantages we still have, being messily, authentically successful.

genuinely human.

And one of my favorite biologists, E.O. Wilson, has this quote, which I think sums up our tension around the current era pretty well.

So how would we have built the world differently knowing what we know now, 50, 100 years ago?