So yeah, uh, I, I, I'm optimistic, but I still think we have some of the problems in place.

Yeah.

I'd love to piggyback on that.

I think Jan described really effectively, uh, that this is not a conversation about understanding what works.

[laughs] That, that was clear.

As well as the, the operational challenges, I'd, I'd only love to, to add that, you know, how that translates on, in a day-to-day, uh, for decision-makers is that all of those things are perceived as introducing uncertainty and an operational complexity.

And, um, in an industry that is highly risk-aware, uncertainty can slow action, right? Even when we have a really strong case, even when there may be additional cost in the future.

... what was the product, so to speak, that the dive team came up with?