Do you ever think about that stuff, that how do I communicate with this person versus that person, even though it's the same issue?

Well, yeah, I mean, absolutely.

And that is kind of the human experience, isn't it? And some people do that well and some people don't.

I think some leaders get really caught up on, they've got in their head where they're wanting to go.

So they've got the outcome in mind and they've got their version of how they want to get there.

And they are just gung-ho trying to get there as quickly as they possibly can.

And that speed and the desire to win and to succeed and to get the outcome can prevent people from having the patience and presence to be able to slow down and actually take stock of the environment to have that awareness and to have those conversations with people.

It's understandable though.

Why don't you tell us a little bit about that?

Yeah, I start the book with a moment in time where I was, you know, on all accounts externally successful and I had the big job, the dream life, you know, good money, nice house, beautiful family.

And I was stressed to my eyeballs.

Like I had the board role, I had all of the things going on, but I found myself standing in my kitchen.

I had a new baby at the time and I was just doing this mental play with myself about what time is it appropriate for me.

to have a glass of wine so that I could, you know, shift state and calm myself down and feel a little bit better.

And I poured a glass of wine and I think it was around 4pm in the afternoon or something.

It's a solution to a problem.

meant

back then.

But by the time I got to the end of my schooling, I was confused.

I didn't know what I wanted to do, which again, not unusual to not know by the time you're 17 what you want to be when you grow up.

But I started a degree in journalism and international studies.

I decided that wasn't for me.

And I was a bit frustrated and fed up.

I don't know, maybe it's around just keeping yourself sort of fit and getting enough sleep and even, yeah, not having too big a workload so that I had the time that I could carve out to actually put those words down on paper.