But as a way of dealing with the very real distinction between self and other that causes all of the mayhem out there in the world, it's not necessarily going to take us that far because it ends up sounding like let's sit in the circle and chant Kumbaya rather than dealing with the actual points of disagreement that cause so much pain

um yeah i can see how one might think that but i actually don't necessarily agree don't don't forget that just teaching rama action that he can take to live in the world and fulfill his duties.

If we think about the story of Chudalla, the story is that you have Shikidwaja who's a young prince and he marries Chudalla.

And at first they're like, These are my words, totally in love, enjoying each other, kind of frolicking and doing all kinds of things together, right? And at some point, they become interested in liberation.

Now, Chudala advances more quickly than Shikidvaja.

I'm not sure.

It says she heard some wise words.

But to actually still do them rather than to just sort of say, no, I don't need to worry about that.