Mm.

And there's always that sweet spot of knowing kind of just where, where to stop in a painting.

And, you know, I think sometimes I feel more successful at it than others, but, you know, I, I don't know.

I don't know if you find this, but sort of for every piece, it might even sound trite saying this, but I, I do feel like I learn so much from every painting that I do, and it's not necessarily learning in terms of, oh, you know, this, this color worked well here, or this form worked well there.

But it's like learning, learning about myself as well and, um, and also sort of working through...

I don't know if this is something that you've experienced too, but with, like, perfectionism, I actually feel like your work would be so perfect for, like, someone who is a perfectionist.

Are you, um, are you rooted now, like, in Australia? You're not moving anymore? Like, do you feel very secure here now?

I, I do feel very rooted and secure here.