Uh, yeah, it's, it's like it, it's hard to know like, okay, does this guy just love Obama? And he's like listened to Obama on repeat hundreds and hundreds of hours, right? So sublimation, LeTal.

Okay.

I actually want to take a pause because we're doing mature defenses, and I wanna, uh, recognize that these are, these drives, these negative self states that, um, we can see without any distortion.

So we're working on them or trying to work through them, but we, we're doing it clearly.

So different than some of the examples, we can be totally aware with mature defenses, and sublimation falls into that category.

Consciousness.

Um, and so now that I'm fully mature, I wanna start with an illustration of a guy we, uh, all think of as like really well put together, and I wanted to just start with Batman.

So...