Lorraine knew that.

And Lorraine knew that.

And as I was saying, those qualities, those sort of all-American qualities that were really the greater part of Thelonious' personality, they said, we're going to have to chuck that because your music is so far ahead that we're going to have to sell you as a mad genius.

And Thelonious, thinking about He's got two kids.

He's got a wife.

He's got to earn a living.

He went along with that, and that sort of has followed him almost down to this day for people who don't know anything about Thelonious.

What would Monk's band be like without Charlie Rouse?

yeah, I remember

that.

And he was really the star of the Giants of Jazz, and he was a very low-key cat.

I mean, he was super low-key compared to a cat like Dizzy, who was standing out in front all the time and sucking up all the credit for Bebop and all that stuff.

But all those things... made me feel like he just didn't get it.

And I remember in 1987, along with Clark Terry and Jimmy Heap and a wonderful woman who was the founder of the Beethoven Society of America named Maria Fisher, we formed the Thelonious Monk Institute of Jazz.

And I'll never forget the first time interview I did for the Thelonious Monk Institute of Jazz, we had promoted a huge concert at Constitution Hall, which had, I think, about 20, 25, 30 of the biggest artists in jazz.

And even his comping, his soloing, and his tunes, you know it's him instantaneously.