So what you feel is coming right over here.

It's not going through the bloodstream.

It's not being tampered.

It is literally going right to your heart.

And the heart was called the little brain at that time.

And I tell you this because in some ways, I think we have to think of our hearts a little differently than we think of it now because we don't think of it that way.

Right.

I remember it.

Yeah.

And we present differently externally because nobody knows your estrogen status.

Nobody knows your cholesterol.

Nobody knows your blood pressure.

These things are not visible, not seen.

And being obese, overweight, and a man, those are obvious, but what is not obvious are things like adverse outcomes of pregnancy.

Did you have gestational diabetes, preeclampsia, high blood pressure, multiple miscarriages, early birth weight, placenta abruption? I can go on and on with all the adverse outcomes of pregnancy that actually lead to heart disease earlier in life and profoundly.

Yeah.

it depends what your definition of normal is also so and there's a lot to be said for we all have some extrovert and introvert in us and time and which everyone takes over i know a lot of i'm generally an extrovert but i i'm also a big time introvert and i need that that time to do that which gives me energy for the other time and stuff so i don't know how that affects our heart maybe you can tell us

yeah i i think it's it's important um And there are certain things that happened in my life that really affected how I really thought about the heart.

When I was in college and I was studying dance, I minored in dance.

And as much as I did the science, I was really focused on this connection between the mind and the body that was so clear to me.

I was working in a pediatric hospital in child life and really using art and using dance as a way to help children understand their healthcare journey.

And so for me, that integration started way before I ended up where I ended up.

I always loved to write.

Yes.

We were never taught.

genuinely taught that it was a man's problem.

And I don't know, someone said something about it for like 10 minutes, I think, but I don't even under, I don't remember the context.

Like it wasn't even a thing.

So that's the second thing.

And then the third issue is that women literally do not believe that heart disease is her own issue.

When you ask a woman what her biggest fear is, she's going to tell you, Nine out of 10 times it's breast cancer.

just-