We all carry a bit of debt, right? We

all do.

But it's like the amount and the kinds of debts that we carry.

And so I just want to be like really clear about that.

And so it's like how do we figure out what to tackle first? And I will tell you that the ones that I typically tackle first are leadership, relational, and reality debt.

Again, those are the most foundational ones.

There are times when there's been structural debt, right, where, you know, the organization is lopsided, right, where the work is really bad.

giving back to us it's if you're an employee my job's going it's being automated away i can't trust my leadership and my leadership are kind of gaslighting me because they're not leveling with me how do you do this without relational or leadership debt going through the roof do you have a view or is that something we're still figuring out because i think it's a hard question