Uh-huh.

And all often, I think the misnomer is that change involves more work, more time, and it's actually not the case.

Um, and one of the reasons that we want the chance to get to the, the lab is just show them that it can be made much easier, transition, whether it's GPON or XGS-PON or whatever you're doing.

Um, and- You know, I think, uh, you have to be open to that if you wanna succeed, and if you're not, um, I think you're gonna realize, uh, and it's too late.

So I think, you know, we're a fresh, fresh breath of air and a fresh press of, uh, solutions, and we just want people to, uh, give us a chance, and if so, I think if you give us a chance, then you won't be, you won't be disappointed.

Mm-hmm.

So there's a lot of stuff that people are using that are touched by Kontron, they might not be aware.

So I would say four or five years out from now, Kontron will continue to, to be known in other channels, but we will definitely, and our goal, I think, is to be one of the top three considerations in the broadband space.