But what was the experience like for you?

The first draft, I, I think I wrote the first, um, 30 ...

No, what is it? Feel like 50,000 words, and then I put it away, and I was sort of started to work on something else.

Um, and always had the idea to come back to it, and then, um, yeah, after ...

It actually was a few years before I came back to it, and suddenly was like, "Oh, dear, I better get ... " You know, so, um, I'd been working on a nonfiction, um, uh, story, but a book.

But yeah, when I came back to it, I could see where I'd got stuck and why.

Um, so I ...

Were there any s- you know, surprises or shocks?