BPAs, right, bisphenol A's or BPAs? That's bisphenol A's,

BPA, exactly.

We know those things can behave like hormones in human bodies and animal bodies, and so very little amounts of them can actually have huge effects just like hormones do.

They can affect brain development in growing fetuses.

They can do things like have small effects on genitalia.

We're still trying to figure out what that's all about.

But so we know about that.

Um, but this stuff is kind of everywhere and it's, um, I guess I'm curious what you think of the balance between what can we do as consumers in this economy and what needs to happen at a larger structural, institutional level and politically and with big businesses to make it easier for us as consumers to get there.