And it's definitely not on the pilgrimage [laughs] tours, right? So can you just talk about that place and, and what it is?

Sure.

So The Forks of the Road is the second-largest slave market in the Deep South, and it was where enslaved people were marched from the Carolinas and the, and Virginia, from the east more to- towards the west.

And, you know, I think it's 900 miles.

It took four weeks, and they were in chains, and it was miserable.

And then once they got to Natchez, they were sold.

And so it was this, like, sprawling prison labor camp with cages, and there were businesses all around it, and there were slave trading businesses that had their shops and where they, you know, did all the accounting and set up auctions.

Can you just sort of describe her and her role and place in Natchez?

So tell us in your own words, what is this documentary all about from your point of view as you filmed it?

Well, thank you for having us, Janice.

I guess Natchez for me is about how we remember our history and how that affects our society and our communities today.

And, and why it matters that we do remember and acknowledge a full, comprehensive, truthful, complicated history.

Yeah.

Through, and it's told through antebellum tourism in a small town in Mississippi that for the past hundred years has been selling the myths of the Old South.

And there's some people in town who are really clinging on to those fantasies and those, those myths, and there are other people in town who are trying to tell a more truthful history.

How did you, how did you deal with that?

So tell us in your own words, what is this documentary all about from your point of view as you filmed it?

Well, thank you for having us, Janice.

I guess Natchez for me is about how we remember our history and how that affects our society and our communities today, and, and why it matters that we do remember and acknowledge a full, comprehensive, truthful, complicated history.

Yeah.

Through-- And it's told through antebellum tourism in a small town in Mississippi that for the past hundred years has been selling the myths of the Old South.

And there's some people in town who are really clinging on to those fantasies and those, those myths, and there are other people in town who are trying to tell a more truthful history.

How did you, how did you deal with that?

Well, I wanted to film many, many different versions of history in Natchez, um, a wide array of different tours.

As they used to call them? [chuckles]

And they still call them, unfortunately.

And I wanted to explore how white people use plantations and historic sites today for their own enjoyment, and profit, and entertainment, and how that affects us as a society, and how it affects people on the individual level as well.

So I started talking to friends and family in Mississippi, and everyone told me to go to Natchez.

And so I first went with my mom on a road trip, and I was-- I had been reading a lot about the antebellum times and slavery, and I was just so struck by the beauty of Natchez, like you described at the beginning, but also this, like, pain and horror that was so right under the surface.

Um, and it was very unsettling, and I, I realized I needed to explore that in a film.

Um, and Natchez has been, for the past hundred years, telling the myths of the Old South through tourism, and so they're grappling with these issues on an every day, every day.

Why is the Garden Club such a big deal in Natchez?