I mean, how has that been allowed to stay like that for 80 years?

Well, the system has worked like that.

And you know what is interesting? The Charter of the United Nations says that men and women are equal.

In the Charter in 1945, that's quite a progressive language.

It says that countries... big and small are equal, and it says women and men are equal.

But when it comes to the decision of the Secretary General, it is sort of a big question, why should it be a woman? Well, first of all, because we are more than half the population, and if this represents the peoples of the world, might as well represent the whole population, you know? So that's not even allowed to be discussed.

It's a matter of justice.

Are you confident then that the UN can survive and stay relevant and that it has a better chance of doing both with the woman?

And, and I think it has to be re-energized around specific values, and we go back to basics and those values that I mentioned, which is to have a world in which war doesn't become a tool of international politics again.

Let me, let me pick on a, on a word that Tan just used, and it's energy.

I think one of the elements that we find these days is that the UN is lacking energy, or at least there is a perception that the UN is lacking energy.

So somehow, who comes next should be able to short-circuit.

I am an engineer, so bear with me the use of, of a, a technical words.

Short-circuit, to find ways to recreate a notion of an enlightened system that can make a difference.

And that's one of the reasons why I so deeply believe that having a woman selected will make a big difference.

You've already went straight ahead to the question I was gonna ask last, especially to Susana, which is, given that the world seems to be plunging into yet another crisis era, how do you think a new Secretary General could turn the UN from this bureaucratic, slow-moving beast into a much more fast and, uh, agile organization?

Can you tell us why the role of secretary general matters?

Well, good morning to you and to your audience.

Uh, thanks for having me.

Uh, well, it matters because the UN is a very complex organization.

It means a lot of things.

You describe it very su- succinctly in your introduction, and in order to bring together all those complex parts of the UN, including the relationship with governments and member states, particularly in crisis times, the head of the institution is fundamental, and that is what the Secretary General is.

You know? It's, it, some people believe that the Secretary General has no power.

Um, you agree with that, or how do you see it? We've heard Ben's thoughts with his campaign on that it should have a woman, uh, who chosen.