And it's a great call that it probably stems from that lack of attentive presence to to the dynamics around you and we spoke offline I mean I know you were in HR about the fact that there's this automated view about let's do an investigational grievance and how many of these issues could potentially be cut off at the pass if you like with

Absolutely.

And the number of people I know who have lodged grievances, it's gone into investigations and down that legal road and they've ended up even more aggrieved because they feel like they haven't been treated as a human.

All of the care has come out of it.

And, you know, this is what I see happening.

in the workplace a lot you know the rising of all the psychosocial things a lot of that too comes back to this human need to feel valued to feel like you matter to feel important to be seen and listened to and as we are in workplaces where leaders are overloaded, their to-do lists are like too huge, that trend is almost, to me, what is contributing to some of the psychosocial stuff.

Because I'm amazed, you know, organisations do things like employee surveys and you see these comments that come back all the time about, you know, my manager just rushes in at the start of the day and doesn't even say hello to me and we need... leaders walking around, they don't want people doing laps.

yeah, I appreciate, I think I do.