And Susan, uh, you did a little, uh, experiment back in 2022 on this.

Yes, we did.

It was great.

We took the, the tomato cages, which were, were pretty big tomato cages.

They weren't like the little skinny ones, and then we put chicken wire around them, and we started this in November.

And actually, if I were to do this again, I would probably start it as early in the fall as I could, especially as soon as I have enough leaves to fill up a tomato cage.

And then the, the hunt begins.

And then, you know, i- in this day and age, you can save those leaves, uh, forever just about if you've got a, a big enough compost sack where you can just keep those leaves in until you need them.