Mm-hmm.

Our time.

And when you talk about only having that one lever to pull, that's why we've built a culture of burnout in law firms.

That's why the legal profession has the highest alcoholism rate.

It has the highest, um, suicide rate, except for I think doctors and veterinarians.

It is why we're leading into and going into a profession that is increasingly becoming stressful.

I happen to have transitioned from litigation to mediation.

Mm.

Mm-hmm.

Which I know many people think you can't have a positive outcome from divorce.

You actually can, but the process that you go through has so much to do with the outcome you're going to have.

So for me, at first, becoming a divorce mediator and seeing people heal relationships, although it's not therapy or anything like that, but, or, or create new relationships I'll, I'll say more.

It's like change this dynamic that's not working for the two of you as spouses and turn it into co-parents who can succ- successfully continue to raise children, or former spouses who can coexist respectfully and end their relationship on a high note and in a way that they can walk forward and be proud of.

That, when I saw the change that can make in people's lives, I now was able to help people in a positive way.

Yeah.

That's what I would say to anyone out there who's feeling stuck.

What do you think of that?

Oh, I mean, that was universal when I was actually doing divorce work, right? For a stay at home, I'll say mom, because even in my 30 some odd years of divorce and seeing changing societal norms.

The norm of a stay-at-home dad is even today still a minor number based upon stay-at-home parents.

And yes, it's my money.

I earned it.

You were staying home laying around watching soap operas and eating bonbons, right? That seems to be the attitude that comes along.

And that is something that is talked about, I think, much more often now, yet it continues to happen all of the time, right? That decision to become a stay-at-home parent, and if we're going to focus on that particular decision, is one that many people make, many women make, without really understanding the very deep and irrevocable situation that they then put themselves into, right? That the minute you leave your career, the minute you leave it, you will never go back to it in the same place that you left it.

Yeah,

Thank you.

It's- it's a rough ...

I sit with people in that space all the time.

So, bravo to be able to talk about that.

You'll help others who hear it.

But y- you're in a space with your- your husband, your children, where you are going to now restructure your family.

And it's going to be something different on the other side.

What's your advice for those days, which I, which have gotta be terrifying?