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Joey Gartner

Joey Gartner is a legal operations professional and "misfit lawyer," Director and Counsel at the American Bar Association's Center for Innovation.

Oct 9, 2026

10:11
Yes, you can.
10:11
This is very cyclical, right? So if you look a hundred and fifty, a hundred and seventy years ago, billing is fixed in a very specific way that has to do with finite economies that are localized on matters that are relatively predictable and have a certain degree of not outcome certainty, but process certainty, right? So you're...
10:35
What's slowing down cases is geographical change, not the kind of localized services that attorneys are delivering.
10:41
And there's this really common philosophical opinion that you should not be sort of productizing and only focusing on the, focusing on the business side of your law firm.
10:51
In fact, it is in many ways a public service.
10:54
And this nineteen fifty-eight, uh, ABA article is a stark philosophical shift that is...
11:01
I mean, if you look at historically and, and middle-aged parents, nerd out with me with history for a moment.

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44:43
So is it?

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