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Joey Gartner
Joey Gartner is a legal operations professional and "misfit lawyer," Director and Counsel at the American Bar Association's Center for Innovation.
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Oct 9, 2026
(197.5) AI-Driven Collapse of the Billable Hour, Part 1
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10:11Joey GartnerGUEST
This is very cyclical, right? So if you look a hundred and fifty, a hundred and seventy years ago, billing is fixed in a very specific way that has to do with finite economies that are localized on matters that are relatively predictable and have a certain degree of not outcome certainty, but process certainty, right? So you're...
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10:35Joey GartnerGUEST
What's slowing down cases is geographical change, not the kind of localized services that attorneys are delivering.
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10:41Joey GartnerGUEST
And there's this really common philosophical opinion that you should not be sort of productizing and only focusing on the, focusing on the business side of your law firm.
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10:54Joey GartnerGUEST
And this nineteen fifty-eight, uh, ABA article is a stark philosophical shift that is...
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11:01Joey GartnerGUEST
I mean, if you look at historically and, and middle-aged parents, nerd out with me with history for a moment.
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44:43speaker_3UNKNOWN
So is it?
