great well look thanks so much for coming here and um i just in our little preamble chat uh the other day about this you actually said that um our map was a small part in you getting a big hug from someone the other day and i've just got to know why that was uh how about that

so um yeah thank you so we work with um equal adventure is a an organization of two halves half of it is a not-for-profit that designs and makes adventure sports equipment with disabled people and runs inclusion training kind of worldwide and then we're very grounded in the community that we seek to serve so we're very lucky to have a range of trustees that support a charity that's completely separate but supported by the not-for-profit so Equal Adventure Charity runs community programs in the north of Scotland and We just, we've been running, we've been, there's one particular programme that we've been running recently without giving the game away about exactly who I might be talking about, where there's someone, some people who aren't always necessarily having the best time at school.

And so our outdoor programmes are based around climbing, canoeing, outdoor activities, but making sure that everything that we do is safe and meaningful like a lot of outdoor providers but we because we're very small scale and we're able to meet communities and individuals where they are we're actually really teed up to tailor our sessions really deeply with the needs not to the needs with the needs of the individuals and listening to our community our programs grow and change and we try to make them look like or run like a sofa on a skateboard.

So it's kind of like really laid back, gently going somewhere, but they'll always go somewhere, but they turn and they slide and they move wherever the community wants them to go.

Tell us why that's important.

So we know that we need to include more people in completing the sort of geographical audit of the world, because if we can't understand it, we can't look after it.

And really, we're going to end up with two groups of people, people who understand and care about the environment and people who kind of are consumers of the environment.

in real terms, my focus or the thing that's driven me has been that underlying environmental education element and recognising that if you're not able to participate in the outdoors, if you're not able to engage in it and you don't feel like you own it, then you're never going to be a field scientist.