Are, with the work, are you able to, um, bridge connections? So as, uh, through your photography, are you able to build more community, or are you able to help other folks within your photography build, uh, different community networks?

Absolutely, yeah.

That's a big thing for me.

One thing that already, like, sets me apart from other photographers, you look at my page, it's, like, all Black people [laughs].

I think there's, there's, uh, now, like, my latest post, there's a couple of, like, non-Black people who I absolutely love them, all the people in m- my latest, uh, post that I actually took at the Brown Boy Project, which is a retreat that, um, I recently went on.

Uh, so shout out to Brown Boy, and if you are a trans person, a trans person of color, go look up Brown Boy.

Um, it's Brown Boy with a I.

So what is next for you? What's next for you, Sunny?

Okay?

And I, it's too exhausting to be so tough.

It's easier to be calm and less reactive.

And even my kids and my husband have noticed it.

And I've, um, you know, implemented things in my life that calm me down, and I meditate, and I do all these things.

But if you take a beat and take a pause and give yourself a minute, then usually s- you calm down a little.

Yeah.

Up, down, sideways, and there's a lid on it, a wooden lid, and you can pick out your color of your candle, your scent.

And to be fair, the Mynachdy blocks is not that tall, unless you're not that fit.

Oh, my God, thank you.

Okay, 512.

512.

[dog growling] Oh.

Oh, no.

Good boy.

What?

See website for details.

But the [laughs] we were so nervous.

We, like, pulled up to the front driveway and we're like, "Should we go home or should we even do this? This is terrifying." We didn't know what kind of people were gonna be in there.

We thought they were all gonna be, like, hot, super fit gym bods.

You just don't know what to expect.

So we ended up [laughs] getting the balls to go in, and we met the hosts, and we like took a tour and it was really cool and nice, and they had a bunch of playrooms and a pool and a cabana, and like we just started mingling, and we ended up having an orgy [laughs] with a bunch of people.

And so, so it was a lot of fun.

But how do you feel all of this has changed your relationship?

What happened?

When we talk about money, it, it can go really good, it can go really bad.

There's no in between.

[laughs] So I told her about the book and how one of the things I wanted to incorporate was, like, monthly meetings.

We like to eat out, and so we decided to use it as our monthly date.

I got very frustrated the way I felt like Jasmine was answering some of the questions in the book, and her response was, "I don't know.

I don't know.

What do you think is really going on when you have these conversations? What are you saying, Sunny, that y- you're not saying out loud?