Can you just explain folks that, like I said, are not familiar? Like, what does that actually mean in practice? Like, what were you doing on a day to day basis?

Yeah, and maybe I can step back on the politics thing.

I think there's sort of two meanings of the word politics.

One is kind of partisan infighting, and I'm going to do things that hurt the country so that my party can win.

You know, that's bad.

But then there's also a sense of politics in the sense of, you know, collective decision-making.

We're going to come together to do stuff.

Are you actually determining who's getting and what projects are getting the different buckets of funding or do you have no involvement with that?

What factors did you see contributing then to their separate decisions for a complete about-face to go all in on internal combustion engines?

You know, I criticize the Detroit Three a fair amount, but I also really think they play an incredibly important role as large unionized employers that offer middle class jobs and that innovate, continue to innovate in very difficult situations.

And so I think there's...

Two things that make the EV thing different, difficult for American automakers.

One, of course, is these policy turnarounds.

Every four years, there's a different policy.

We actually invented the LFP batteries that China has been using to so much effect.

I guess my last question for you is, when you think about the process of digging out during the 80s, did the federal government have any role to play in helping the industry do that?

What would that future look like if the U.S. continues to, you know, pump out tons of oil and become this sort of very like petro-dominant or remain a petro-dominant economy and automotive industry while the rest of the world goes quite rapidly towards EVs?

So I think that would be bad for U.S. consumers of autos, for automakers, and for the nation as a whole.

And I can say why for each.

So electric vehicles are simply a superior product.

Once we deal with the range anxiety and get the charging built out, the electric vehicles are quieter, they accelerate better, they require less maintenance.

So not having EVs is going to, and they're eventually going to overcome the cost differential and the range issues that we have, particularly in the U.S. That's bad because it hamstrings U.S. automakers in their foreign markets.

It also hamstrings the U.S., supply chains as a whole.

Yeah, you know, Sue, How have the Chinese manufacturers done it? Is it just economies of scale? Is that how they're able to make it cheaper? Is there connections with the rest of the Chinese electronics industry around battery technology and the broader based and heavily deployed innovation ecosystem? What are the key advantages for the Chinese here?