And then maybe we could have a bit of a round table or oval table as we sat at, all about our thoughts and feelings around the role of technology in fossil free thought.

Yeah, great.

Thanks very much for inviting me on.

And thanks for coming into our podcast tent.

Besides being a farmer, I also work with Sustainable Food Trust.

So we're hosting this podcast tent here this year.

So it's really cool that you guys have come in to use it.

So can you are you using your farm as as as that resource as well

Because of the productivity it enabled.

Because of the productivity and the whole revolution around farming, of course.

It's not just oil, let's be clear.

There's a lot more that went along with that in terms of automation of all sorts of technologies.

But absolutely, it has been fundamental to our history, too.

Um, and we can't pretend that we're going to be able to get rid of all of this from farming straight away.

We would starve tomorrow if we did that.

When it comes to farming, what are the challenges to getting rid of fossil fuels?