But yeah, what, what else, uh, stood out for you? Any other episodes that stood out for you, Stuart?

Um, so I do feel the need just to kind of, um, um, talk a little bit more about Rebecca Morris.

Um, I feel like I give it a bit of a hard time there.

That wasn't the intention.

[laughs] That episode was excellent, um, because it touched on many things that are specifically of interest to me around why society in general doesn't take road safety deaths and PSI seriously enough, and it's that optimism bias.

It won't happen to us.

So Rebecca talked very eloquently about that.

You had some, uh, a couple of bits you wanted to mention around graduated driving licenses.