At the same time, putting in, how many hours were you putting in at the footy club?

When you start, you're doing your training when you're still playing, you're putting in a fair few hours as it is.

Like we were training, Four or five days a week we were doing the training that was required, whether it be pre-season or it be during the season.

We were training quite hard then.

And then that sort of rolled into coaching, which then rolled into the administration stuff.

So you put in a lot of work, but that's, yeah.

Fortunately, I suppose, from a work perspective, um when i was on the tools it was just eight hours so it was everything uh everything was done after that um an unbelievable support from my wife um and then our young family at the time they were unreal they just they tagged along to a lot of things they came to training they came down to the club game days they did all that sort of stuff so they They've sort of grown up around the place as well.

your illness and the circumstances around it and what that challenge meant to you both at the time and now you're through the other side.