[laughs] Okay.

And, and, and I'll let you fly it, and, and, and you see.

However, I, what I will say, and I was flying with a f- a fellow the other day in a 152 working on his flight instructor.

It was his first time in the 152.

He'd never been in one.

And we're climbing out, and we've got about a five-degree bank, and we're flying straight.

And I asked my client, "What's wrong with this picture?" "Well, we need right rudder because of the left turning tendencies." Did not recognize five-degree bank, but we're flying straight.

You know, go here with a little humility and learn from these experts, and ditch the attitude.

Do you like his shoes? [laughs]

Yeah, it's great.

You've really...

Ah.

[laughs]

Do you have a garden?

Yeah, I do.

But I, but unfortunately, rats have eaten through the cables of my lawnmower, so it's not in a good state at the moment.

What strikes you? What jumps out?

I think just the vast openness of it.

You know, there are just so many different styles, so many different techniques, and I guess I had, like, the preconceived notion that if somebody is there using beat matching technology or, you know, stepping back, letting the computer do the rest of the work for them, I kind of looked down on that before.

But at the same time, they're in front of people, people are having a good time.

I think the other part of it, which I want to learn more from Tom, is like, how much value do you put on somebody who's actually, like, choosing the songs and making the music versus the entertainment factor? 'Cause sometimes you go out, and you see there's two DJs behind the, the booth, and you're like, "What is that other guy doing?" You know, [chuckles] one person's touching the console.

There's another guy there just either just, like, looking really bold or waving his arms or something.

Like, is there a point to this? And then it turns out those DJs tend to do really well as, uh, on the circuit as well.

E- not even technically, but you just didn't have enough of a foundation to deliver as much as you wanted?

What's your goal when the thousands of people (cannons firing) come here every year and they wanna know about this fort? Your goal is to make them feel what it was like?

I want them to come here and experience what it was like here on a, on a given day, uh, whatever it might have been 250 years ago.

I want visitors to experience the, the, the smells and the sights, to, to hear the cannons, but also get a deeper understanding.

You know? What did it mean to actually be here? Why were people willing to put their lives on the line here at Ticonderoga?

Yeah, uh-

... really fast.

And we want our visitors here to, to see this.

This is war.This is what fighting was really like.