What are your recollections of 25 years ago and, and the progress that we've made since then?

Thank you, Paul.

I-- Let me say that from the beginning, I had, uh, no interest at all in, uh, biodefense and, and public health preparedness.

I, uh, came to W- uh, to HHS, uh, with Secretary Thompson.

I came part-time beginning February 2nd of '01, and then, uh, on August 20th, I started full-time.

He said I had no choice.

I had to come over to, to-- I had to come over to, uh, the department.

NBC, yeah

thank

you.

I appreciate your confidence, but I don't want to do that.

You never get a good night's rest in emergency management.

It is always something.

And he said, still be reasonable.

It's HHS.

And