Like, mowing business that was 10 years so what 2014-ish 2013-ish yeah what was your drive at that younger age to start a business and then how did that i mean i really think you learned more about operating a business with your first one than you do your second one

right yeah that's totally true uh so basically i guess my dad kind of put it in my head when i was around i don't know 12 13 uh we was at the campground that we always went to every year around labor day and we kept seeing these trucks and i was like man i'd really like to have one of those and he's like well i ain't buying it for you so you better work hard you better do something and i was like hmm let me think of ways i can you know maybe make enough money to buy a truck that nice and uh I don't know, my best friend and I were like building a little fort out in the woods.

And it started as snow plowing, actually, the winter before.

We went out and shoveled a bunch of snow and made a bunch of money at like 12, 13 years old.

And had my mom drive us around in my truck.

Well, not my truck yet, but the truck I would later on have as mine.

She would drive us around and we're like, man, that made some good money.

know,