Steven Shaw
Steven Shaw is an American UFO researcher and ufologist who, with his wife Leslie Shaw, co-authored "Who They Are: And What They're Up To" and co-hosts the "Abductions 101: UFOs and the Paranormal Connection" podcast.
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Sep 16, 2026
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, she says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room and says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanting to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, she says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
Ashley IaconettiADVERTISER
[laughs]
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room and says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
Ashley IaconettiADVERTISER
Yeah.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, there are these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanting to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
TroyHOST
Hmm.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay? Bells, ding, ding.
Kirk BarberHOST
So now tell me a little bit about this experiment that you did that made it alluded to in the beginning as being so eloquent because it was it was what I understand for good research to be simple, answered the question and very easy to understand, straightforward.
Steven ShawGUEST
So, I mean, we had participants come into the lab and answer a series of logic and reasoning questions.
Steven ShawGUEST
So the task is called the cognitive reflections test, and it's well established in psychology and behavioral science.
Steven ShawGUEST
And what's crucial about that task is it asks a set of pretty simple questions, but they're easily verifiable.
Steven ShawGUEST
So there's some arithmetic involved with the questions, but you can there's inequality in the question and you can verify.
17 MINS LATER
Steven ShawGUEST
So I rolled over, and I'm scared, and I'm angry at the same time, so I go, "What?" And there's this shimmery thing in front of me.
1 HR 8 MINS LATER
speaker_0ADVERTISER
[laughs]
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
speaker_0ADVERTISER
Harder each time, yeah.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, there were these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room and says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, there were these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, there were these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room and says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Bowen YangADVERTISER
[laughs]
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, she says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Bowen YangADVERTISER
Harder each time, yeah.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, she says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
TroyHOST
Hmm.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanting to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay? Bells, ding, ding.
TroyHOST
Hmm.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kinda stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
Steven ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right? Coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
Steven ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanting to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
Steven ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room and says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
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