Steven, post failure to make the Washington baseball team infield, how did you get here?

Yeah, so I, I tend to think of my career as somewhat the arc of law firm pro bono in a lot of ways and, and I, I only know that looking backwards in, in a lot of ways, how we understand our, our own paths and our own careers.

I graduated from Northwestern in nineteen ninety four.

Um, that was the year of the baseball strike, so obviously I wasn’t gonna go play, uh, Major League Baseball then.

Um, so I went to a law firm in Washington, D.C., to Latham & Watkins.

I spent four years as a litigator, uh, doing antitrust, white collar criminal litigation.

Uh, and during those four years, I did almost no pro bono work That was not altogether unusual back then in the '90s, that you could have a young associate come in who was interested in pro bono.

What is happening right now in 2026 with international pro bono or multi-office international collaboration in your law firms?