So I wanna kick it over to you to really introduce yourself and your work, what your experience is, so that we really know who we're talking to today.

Sure.

And thank you, Lisa.

I'm glad to be here.

I think for this audience, it's important to know that I didn't come to this work by accident.

When I was a little boy in first grade, this is my earliest childhood memory, my mother had already left my father, divorced him, and she picked up my little brother, a babe in arms, and moved to Reno.

In those days, that would be in the 1950s, believe it or not, I guess it wasn't that hard to find people because he stalked her and then broke into our apartment at around midnight, and I awoke to the sound of her body being slammed into the walls and her crying for help.

Do you think those men would benefit from programs like what you run and groups? Do you think that would actually get them to change? 'Cause I just see, like, women spend years banging their head against a wall, hoping that they change, wasting their lives thinking he might change.