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Steven Hayes

Jul 14, 2026

30:10
... that have been so embedded in ACT.
30:11
Yeah.
30:11
I w- I wouldn't know how to do it.
30:13
And, and, uh, and nowadays I just do it, and the only thing I do is I, I expand it out a little bit.
30:19
And in fact, a lot of people like, uh, uh, uh, attentional flexibility, emotional flexibility.
30:23
It actually almost works better at a middle-level term, in my opinion, once you, you give it the color and the experience of...
30:32
So for example, you're doing, uh, an acceptance-based exercise or something like that And you use that phrase, and then you throw in that, but this also includes, and it's in the early work, it isn't just anxiety, but it's also joy too.

13 MINS LATER

43:58
Yeah

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