You're like, well, that's not a good thing.

Yeah.

But we know what you're talking about.

I will say, Yeah, but not just because of assets.

So if you look at this argument, and it's really hard because the same thing happens with the Israel thing, where people are like, I've been called both a Nazi and a Jew shill in the same day.

If we look at this, boomers have a point.

And so do Gen Z.

I think

Where are you at?

Well, I will tell you this.

My main thing is there are legitimate reasons.

So we ran this earlier.

You know, there was the Mike Rogers tweet that went out everywhere.

It was a quote of Mike Rogers and the quote with a clip.

We do this segment called clickbait.

What do you think Trump's reaction is going to be? What do you think is going to happen next to Trump? We saw it on

And guess what? As always, I was 100% correct.

Yeah, well, I mean, you know, I'll give you that one, but not the fact that you let your number one draft pick get away in the United States.

We're still a country.

We're having elections.

But what do you think? Here's the thing.

I I'm not surprised because smart money said what you were saying.

But I hope that people don't take away the wrong message here.

Did Trump, as people like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Megyn Kelly, is it Trump who betrayed the ethos of MAGA? And has that come back to haunt him tonight?

Yeah

...

I will say, not talking policies, but he's pulled the same mistake with the messaging and some policies, saying, "People are, you know...

And people don't realize how much better it is.

We have the best economy ever and inflation is gone.

It's gone."

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Why do you think the media was telling conservatives to calm down

after Charlie's death? You're pulling an Oprah.

You're trying to get me to cry.

You son of a bitch.

You're putting me back in an emotional place, and you got those baby blues.

It's funny.

It just kind of was flooding back to me.

Stephen, what's the best piece of advice you've ever received?

... that I guess could, you know, you could share for someone to learn?

Uh, I definitely learned a lot about the, about the system and how it exists, and so, uh, not losing, you know, giving up primary custody to another party, that's very rare for a man.

I'm very grateful for that.

But knowing how 90% go one way and, and, and seeing other fathers out there who may be flawed, like you see this with Lindsey Clancy right now, people saying, "Well, I think..." A- and it took me a while where I had to really search.

There's no evidence that this guy ever cheated.

There's no evidence that this guy ever did anything wrong.

As a matter of fact, he took paternity leave.

Mm.

... what the atmosphere on campus, obviously a post Charlie Kirk world, what this is like now.

Well, I, I will tell you, this is something that I've been trying to do for, I mean, people say a decade.

It's really probably more like eight or nine years.

The first Change My Mind, I think, was in 2017 that we released publicly.

When we started it and we were doing it on campus, first off it would just be in a city, and then kids would say, "Hey, could you come do this on my campus? Because no one's having these conversations." And we always thought, "Well, great." And we'd always extend an invitation to professors.

The idea, think of, like, in an old Nintendo game, the final boss professor.

Not only did they never show up, we were usually being booted from campus, for which we had a valid permit from the professors.

Was it just the most kind of, uh, rote, basic left-wing liberalism stuff, and what was his POV?

... what the atmosphere on campus, obviously a post-Charlie Kirk world, what this is like now.

Well, I, I will tell you this.

This is something that I've been trying to do for, I mean, people say a decade.

It's really probably more like eight or nine years.

The first change of mine, I think, was in 2017 that we released publicly.

When we started it and we were doing it on campus, first off it would just be in a city, and then kids would say, "Hey, could you come do this on my campus because no one's having these conversations?" And we always thought, "Well, great." And we'd always extend an invitation to professors.

The idea, think of like, you know, an old Nintendo game, the final boss professor.

Was it just the most kind of, uh, rote, basic left-wing liberalism stuff? And what was his POV?

Pinochet over Mamdani?

Absolutely would.

If it's AOC or Pinochet, I would choose neither.

Maybe I'd blow my head off, you know? Maybe I'd do that, or maybe I'd just declare myself to be a woman and some kind of enemy of the s- ...

18 times suicide rate, which gets no better, by the way, under socialized healthcare, gender-affirming care.

So they're, they're going away from that in Europe, but the DSA here wants to continue with that.

I'm looking at a party right now in this country that wants to nationalize all of the biggest corp- all the biggest businesses, that wants to completely defund the police and replace them with social workers.

Yeah.

Yes, you're spot on.

Okay.

So, and, and even I'll give you some more examples.

For example, you probably are thinking, you know, as you mentioned your wife as a, as a lesbian sort of, uh, conservative going, "How do they have a, you know, from the river to the sea slogan next to a rainbow flag?" You go, "Wait, hold on a second.

How do they, uh, say that they're pro-women while they're turning an entire generation of women into professional whores because they're sex pos?" All this stuff, none of it makes sense.

Here's how it makes sense.

There's no moral rooting.

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But there's a real split here ideologically between what people believe they thought they were voting for and what they think they're getting from Trump.

Yeah, um, well, I don't think there's as big of a split with the voter as there are commentators.

Um, my, for example, my perspective has been I supported the strike on the enrichment facility.

Uh, and I said, "Give this three months a-and then I'll have to reassess it," because I know there's information that I cannot have on Iran as it pertains to national security.

I would, uh, say, uh, that would be due largely to their own ignorance, because anyone who thinks that Donald Trump has been anything other than consistent, going back to the nineteen eighties, which is kind of a marvel, the only reason we're able to have this long of a consistent track record for any president is because he was a celebrity.

He's always said Iran cannot have a nuke.

They will never have a nuke.

Mm.

And he's sort of frozen since the 1970s in terms of his opinions.

Right.

For, for better or worse.

A- and my...

It, it's, it's fine to agree or disagree.

My issue is if people are misrepresenting it or, in some cases, you know, if they are lying about it.

Because it's either a misrepresentation by accident or willfully.

And, and so far, I think it's fair to say that project has, has made some progress.

Mm-hmm.

... populace.

I think most people, if they listen to Nick Fuentes, his views on race and crime, they'd say, "Okay, someone like that has a case," certainly any man under the age of 25.

I think a lot of people would, broad strokes, categorize it as antisemitic.

We were able to get into that.

I was able to communicate that I thought Islamic immigration is a greater threat than global Jewry.

And guess what? He disagreed, but we understood each other.

Okay.

Now, am I right? Am I wrong? What's your view?

Well, thanks for having me.

I think, I think you're right.

Um, and I think, uh, look, and I, I, I know I just saw the last, the tail end of, of, of Benny.

We all know that we have the First Amendment, we all know that we have freedom of speech in the country.

I don't think that's what we're discussing here.

Like you said, we're discussing the future of this country.

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Mm.

...

if we need to.

What you're seeing with Charlie Kirk is what got through.

Charlie Kirk lived under a cloud, just as I have.

It's the reason that I stopped doing Change My Minds.

Where there were 12 felonious assaults, attempts at battery, and attempts on my life, and I know quite a few, and many I don't, of Charlie Kirk.

Mm.

Hmm.

Now, I do think that if you're talking about the money raised, we are now dealing with the reaction and not with the action that has led to it.

I was raised...

And I, I wanna be clear about this.

And I know I'll be told that I don't know anything about the Black experience, so my...

I'm not saying from you, but people will watch this and say, "You couldn't possibly know." In a post-racial America...

By the way, largely Canada.

So Steven, your response to my, my thesis?