They're a little bit different than the past where people feel like the libraries aren't made whole or the schools aren't made whole, things like that.

Yeah, so this project is entirely within the Downtown Development Authority, the DDA.

We've heard a lot about that over several years now.

The way a DDA works is it captures the growth in property tax values within the downtown district, and that is required by law to be reinvested in downtown economic development.

The properties here are currently in that district.

So right now, the growth in property tax revenues currently don't go to the schools or to the city government.

Uniquely under this arrangement, because of the Renaissance Zone designation they're requesting, the state would have to instead reimburse the schools and the library for their foregone property taxes.

And I think we should talk about that a little bit because there's been some adjustments, right? Yeah.

But after about an hour of driving, it became clear the Jeep wasn't up to the task.

We went out on a game drive, and there was a, a little Suzuki Jeep, um, which was Julie's, Julie's car, uh, broken down side of the road.

And so we pulled over and asked if they needed any help.

Steve was also there.

It was a very, very strange evening, you know.

And obviously everyone's coming up with different theories, and, uh, having to console John and trying, you know, j- just trying all the time to work out what's happened.

He's quite a big chap.

Had quite an aura about him, and yeah, he just broke down into tears.

And then there's also a pay as you stay program.

Yeah.

So about six years ago, the legislature authorized a program called pay as you stay or pays, which is a delinquent tax forgiveness and repayment program that counties can opt into.

And Wayne County has been using this for the past several years.

And so what it does is.

If someone owes tax debts, went delinquent on their taxes when they were due, but was otherwise eligible for the poverty exemption, which in Detroit is also called the HOPE exemption, that program does is make it so that if by reason of poverty, you don't owe property taxes.

So if someone hadn't enrolled before and their taxes went delinquent and they were at risk of losing their home, this program that they can enroll in will cap the amount of tax debt and at 10% of taxable value of their property, and allow them to pay it off in manageable monthly payments over three years.

I need some certainty on my costs.