No.

And so a partner and I, I met a guy who was doing some freelance work with him, and we hit it off, and he, we became partners.

We'd opened up a c- a company, an advertising company in the city, in New York City, in Manhattan, which was crazy.

22 years doing, you know, years old doing that.

And, uh, and as, as you said, started training the martial arts.

Eventually, I met somebody who really got my-- piqued my interest and, and suggested I get into the martial arts.

I had been doing tennis at that point, which was, which was cool.

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