So what skills do you believe that electrical workers need to develop now that traditional apprenticeship programs weren't originally designed to teach or weren't necessarily looking at?

Well, I'd have to say, so let me frame this in a couple of different ways.

Some of those skills are the same old, same old.

It's the fundamentals.

I talk to contractors.

I've been very fortunate after being almost 45 years in the same local, not counting all the triathlon I've done, but spending most of my time here in a single region and getting to know different contractors and leadership, the different contractors, is they see a lot of the same pain points and they say the same things.

They're friction for us.

If you could go back to your first day going on a job site, your first day entering the trades with everything that you now know about prefab, about innovation, about data, about AI, about leadership, what advice would you give yourself?