Mm-hmm

...

but ultimately it's, uh, the, the house itself is the house, and the, and the haunting is being done from within, right? Whereas a cursed castle in this, this case feels like the entirety of it is just, it's, its existence is a curse, right? And, and so-

[laughs] Forever.

Yeah, the other day, like, I was like...

I had a point where I was like, man, I wonder if I'm just, like, having too many drinks or something, 'cause I feel like I'm, I'm just hungover all the time.

So I stopped drinking for like several days and, and I, and I, every day I woke up and I'm like, "Oh, no, that's just how I feel." I, uh, [laughs] I just, I wake up and I don't feel good ever.

In fact, Rader's court-appointed attorney, Steve Osburn, admits he tried to find something, anything from Dennis Rader's past that could somehow explain BTK.

We talked to the family some, and you know, we didn't see anything that jumped out at us as abnormal.

Um, no trauma, no big event that would scar him or, or, or cause, you know, something like this to happen.

Steve Osburn believes that even if no one had discovered his well-kept secret, Dennis Rader, dog catcher, scout leader, church president, was planning to one day take credit for becoming BTK.

I think this was his life's work, and he wanted basically to take a bow for it.

I mean, th- this, this is who he was.

This is what he did, and I don't think that he was gonna go to the grave without taking a bow for this.