His achievement was just like voyaging the seas and discovering new lands, which weren't new to the people that were there, obviously.

So actually the way that Columbus pitched it to the Spanish monarchy at the time was that he had, it was God's will that he go and, and go, um, he thought it was going to Asia and find a new, um, trade, whatever.

But I was, I thought it was interesting that he, whether or not it was a sales pitch or whether he truly believed, um, He was chosen by God to go and do this journey.

I find that interesting.

And also, later in his life, if you read some of his...

Uh, it was like, there's a lot of, he did a lot of journaling, you know, captains at that time did a lot of journaling.

So you can kind of read some of this stuff.

It just is to say that it's looked different throughout history.