I'm curious, how did you make the shift towards nutrition-based wellness? Was there something that, like a disheartening trend that you were seeing?

[laughs] No, actually it, it happened pretty quickly.

I, uh, my specialty is, is pediatrics.

So I've got a doctor of pharmacy with a pediatrics specialty, and I did my residency back in 1991.

And so after that I worked the hospital as mainly in pediatrics for, for the first half the time I was there, so I was there for 29 years.

The last half I switched over and became the supervisor of the second and third shift.

Well, during the first part when I was pediatric pharmacist, we had an annual pediatric seminar that we'd bring all the medical personnel from all around the area in, and we would ta- all day long we would teach about pediatric issues.

And before we leave the topic of, uh, what insulin is, you have a really good analogy about being on a subway, and I want you to give me that analogy, uh, regarding insulin, and then we're gonna talk a little bit, go a little bit more depth with diabetes.