So why embrace it instead of fight

it? Well, it took me a while to get to that point.

After I got diagnosed, because your initial response is, well, you know, I want to get rid of this.

I hate this.

Get rid of cancer cells, you know.

But it was actually something I read in the book by Christopher Hughes.

I can't remember the title.

So with all those thoughts before us, Steve, is there anything that you would want to leave with the folks that are listening to this episode? And I want to just say again that we will probably do this again in the too distant future and hopefully we'll have some other folks involved.

Yeah

...

the inspiration, principally mine.

Um, but others as well.

Um, there were the, um...

I wrote a book, uh, three years ago I think that came out now, uh, which was Tarot for Grief, and that followed the very sudden and tragic death of my daughter, Laura.

Um, and I kind of turned to tarot just to help me, just to help me, [laughs] you know, um, uh, just by, in terms of taking a card to see what might happen, how it might help, and it did over a period of time.

And, and how do we wanna approach this?