Mm-hmm.

It's, um, it's fun.

It's fun, and I think sometimes we forget, uh, that is a large part of the business of sports.

It, the Leafs became so much about winning and losing that winning became unattainable and also didn't matter.

Like, the, the regular season games, which were the games that they won, didn't matter.

They put all this crazy pressure on themselves heading into the playoffs, couldn't pull it off.

It was, it was agony, right? And i- we need fun, so it, you gotta inject fun.

Mm-hmm.