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Steve Baker

Blaze Media investigative journalist and January 6 independent reporter (SteveBakerUSA), pardoned after pleading guilty to misdemeanor charges for entering the Capitol on Jan. 6, 2021.

Nov 3, 2026

69:58
I can answer.
69:58
Yeah, please do.
70:00
I can answer that question real quick, yeah.
70:03
The first thing is that there is a trend from local and state law enforcement to basically stop reporting local crimes to the FBI.
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I don't know if it's just become...
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I don't know if it's become because there's too much crime.
70:25
They can't keep up with the reporting process.

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I can't remember his name, but that was his first big
91:40
What are the defining features of this figure that we see that you believe gives us confidence that it is in fact Brian?
91:47
A lot of people laugh at the idea of using gate recognition to identify somebody.
91:51
They say it's junk science, but it's not junk science.
91:53
It's been used, and it's been used and allowed as evidence in courtrooms around the world for hundreds of years, and obviously visually before there was such a thing as gate recognition technology.
92:04
But gate recognition technology is far more accurate for a figure, blurry figure like you're seeing right now on the screen, because you can detect somebody's mobile or gate footprint or fingerprint rather from hundreds of yards away as opposed to even facial recognition which you need a close-up shot of particularly during the COVID era you needed a gate you needed you know facial rather gate recognition because of everybody was wearing masks and so this is a similar circumstance and situation here but then we have all of the unique characteristics of Brian Cole Jr.'s own We'll call it his neurodivergence, his particular special needs.
92:52
He has been diagnosed as an autistic individual, but also highly OCD.
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He is a creature of habit, and he does very unusual things.

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mask? Right there.
87:06
Give us the latest, and there has been some, it seems like some of it is oh well no big deal but finding a lot of things out when there's been no ability except what you were able to dig out for yourself going through all kinds of video and stuff and i'll i'll never forget all of the tens of hours that you spent going through those videos i mean for weeks i couldn't i couldn't even get you on the phone you wouldn't answer my phone calls you were uh in the capital in that particular special room that they have that secluded to and only certain people could get it but what specifically in your mind is different today on the whole cold situation than it was a week ago what else has been learned
88:06
Well, the big thing that happened a week ago, and of all of what I consider the kill shot revelations that we have revealed in the Brian Cole case in the last 10 and a half months, we released nine days ago, so Sunday a week ago.
88:21
And that was we found video of Brian Cole Jr. on the northwest side of the Capitol at exactly the same time that the gray hooded man The January 6th bombers they refer to, you know, as the suspect person of interest number one to the FBI, the person that they release these grainy, you know, videos in the dark planting and walking around the Republican National Committee and Democratic National Committee's headquarters.
88:55
Um, on the night of January 5th, between 7 34 PM and between eight 18 PM, because that's the time that we could see the hoodie bomber on camera was during that roughly 45 minutes.
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And so, um, for five and a half plus years, we have done all of our work.
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On that side of the Capitol, which is south of the Capitol, I mean, due south of the Capitol and south of the congressional office buildings is where the RNC and DNC headquarters are and where the bomber was walking around planting those devices.
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Then 10 and a half months ago, they arrested Brian Cole Jr.

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This is not the way it's supposed to work, Stephen.
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Give us the short story.
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Well, the short story is this, is that Thursday morning I woke up to a message from my video expert.
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And he's the guy that's been working with me for three years, digging into all the capital CCTV video, which is, you know, tens of thousands of hours.
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when you hear the phrase needle in a haystack, this is not.
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This is a needle in a stack of needles the size of Iowa.
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I mean, it is so and such an arduous process of getting through these videos when you're looking for a particular person, a character, particularly when you consider the fact, Dan, that when we're talking about January 5th, January 6th of 2021, it was not only cold, so people are wearing heavy clothes, hoods, you know, hoodies, and It's the middle of the whole COVID regime.
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So everybody's masked up, making it even more difficult to identify people in a crowd.

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Do you think that'll ever be made public?
7:57
Do I understand also that he was at one point helping authorities in the case?
8:02
Yeah, Armitage started working and helping me back October three years ago, three years ago this month.
8:10
We actually just recently... we've we've actually been able to meet a couple of times and uh last week we actually had a full day together uh going doing video review and and i won't give you the exact circumstances of what we were up to and who we were meeting with and why we were doing this but We had a full day together.
8:32
And so we've, you know, over three years, we've developed a pretty close relationship and we understand each other.
8:39
We understand each other's strengths in this process and lean upon those.
8:44
And his strength, of course, is, is that he's a, Admittedly, he's a guy on the spectrum to some extent.
8:52
I don't know the details of his diagnosis, but he has a unique and almost like superpower ability to focus on something, concentrate so consistently without breaks, without, you know... being distracted to nail down and find what he's looking for.

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How did you get there?
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How did you see that? How did you find that?
9:20
Right.
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That's his gift.
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And his other gift is just this dogged tenaciousness to find the truth of this situation.
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And he's been doing that, you know, even before Brian Cole was arrested.
9:30
He was into the pipe bomb story long, long, long.
9:34
Oh, yes.

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was all that true.
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Well,
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yeah, but he does have a trial date set now.
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And that is set for February 16th to begin then.
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And that will be, you know, roughly 14 months, almost exactly 14 months after his arrest.
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In federal trial, you know, averages, that's a pretty speedy trial.
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I mean, it's not a three or four year wait.
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And, you know, it's certainly not what we would like to consider a speedy trial.

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Steve, are they going to be able to, is the judge going to let the failed eye detector test by Shawnee Kirkhoff be admitted in the Brian Cole Jr. trial?
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Yeah.
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That's why I left.
22:12
I was even The Blaze, The Blaze who had been very, very good to me for three years.
22:17
Very g- you know, I loved, I had a good paycheck.
22:19
I had a great expense account for all of my, you know, uh, studies, my investigation, my research, my travels, everything.
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I had a great expense account.
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Um, virtually anything that I asked for them to spend money on, they would spend it.

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Yeah.
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Yeah
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...
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in public positions, they live where? In Virginia.
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They don't live in the District, so you know, they've got their homes across the river.
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Same thing with, with Maryland.
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Um, in-- It's, it's in the DC, you know, uh, greater metro area, but it's governed by the laws of Virginia.
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So as a result, they have written into the laws great protection, um, and what they have, what they have established there is, and this is true of all, uh, anti, anti-SLAPP laws, is that law enforcement people are also recognized as public figures.

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Yeah.
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Mm-hmm
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... as has been, as has been, uh, proposed.
11:15
That, that absolutely is not correct.
11:18
And, and in fact, the, the, the president in his speech that day, whether y- uh, look, whether you like him or don't like him, let's not, let's, let's talk about facts here.
11:27
What he said is, he said, "It's known that we're all going to march to the Capitol today," because there's events permitted up there.
11:34
And he said, and then he said, "We're going to," and this is a quote, "We're gonna peacefully and patriotically let Congress hear us." Because Congress was going to be in session at one o'clock, a joint session of Congress.
11:48
Vice President Mike Pence drops the gavel at 1:00 p.m., and then the joint session of the House of Representatives and the Senate would begin the process of their ceremonial debate.

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Mm-hmm.
1:56
Uh, have I, have I done justice to what's been going on between you and I in our communication, and why you're here today?
2:04
Yeah, Jason, it's so good to see you again.
2:06
And yes, there is a very specific reason why I have been trying to get you.
2:11
You know, I know, I know the, the show has evolved since the last time I was with you, and, and, uh, as interested and more focused into sports again as you have been.
2:20
Which is great, by the way.
2:22
But the, the story itself, and this is the, this is the reason I needed to talk to you about this, was because at the end of the day, what we have here is we have the absolute framing, literally the creation of a patsy by the FBI.
2:43
Something that they are not, uh, you know, uh, unaccustomed to doing.

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17:17
It seems like he would know what-
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Let's take the glasses piece.
44:26
Well, first of all, we know beyond any shadow of a doubt that the hooded bomber was wearing sunglasses that night, for a couple reasons.
44:34
Number one, uh, some great work that Mike Benz did years ago.
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He showed that they...
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The, the, the videos themselves had been manipulated in a particular way where they had been completely, uh, like brushed over, electronically or, or digitally brushed over so that you couldn't see the glasses.
44:51
What y- What, what is very interesting about that is that there are a couple of incidences when, as I refer to the bomber, Hoodie, uh, uh, to shorten it, when Hoodie was sitting at the benches at the DNC, the DNC's cameras at that point, those s- security cameras had already switched over to nighttime infrared.
45:11
Well, infrared sees through sunglasses just like I'm wearing clear frame, or clear glasses right now, clear lenses.

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I also found this interesting.
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Go ahead.
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Right, right.
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No, no.
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My thoughts are darker than yours, and I hate to even admit that.
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I've reached that point in life.
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Look, I...
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I'm just going to harken back to just a few years ago.

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That's an honest thing, and I respect that.
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See, they don't.
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They don't know, Dan, and that's what's so frustrating about – it doesn't matter if we're talking about the Iran war or we're talking about – look, I got so mad.
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I know we're going to get into this later, but you just make a little note to yourself that we come back to this.
75:19
I got so mad yesterday from a NBC News article about the January 6th pipe bomber, which obviously you know that that's a big part of my work right now.
75:29
And I was so angry because they towed the typical line of saying that the alternative theories have been discredited.
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Or they just come out and say the discredited stories about the bomber.

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Oh, no.
71:37
... why would you put this kid in jail in the first place, and why would you not get him out of jail waiting for this trial?
71:46
Well, the ama- the m- the amazing part about this, and this is just one of those curious human interest sideline stories, is that not only has the Department of Justice admitted in open court that Brian Cole Jr. is not a flight risk, part of his severe OCD is he's not just gonna go run, jump on an airplane and fly somewhere.
72:11
They take your passport away from you anyway when you're arrested for, uh, any crime, um, misdemeanor or, uh, or a, um, misdemeanor or, um, felony.
72:23
The feds, of course, the feds don't typically arrest misdemeanor defendants.
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They only do that for J6 defendants.
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I can speak to that.
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Firsthand experience.

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But bring us up to date.
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How do you arrive at him?
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Well, this is where we start on the timeline, is that what I did is I took the information that I had about somebody else, not Brian.
34:37
I took this information to the Office of the Director of National Intelligence, Tulsi Gabbard at the time.
34:43
I had several sources inside ODNI.
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ODNI had a special unit called the DIG, the Director's Initiative Group, which was specifically set up and assigned to, as a task force, to investigate And by the way, when I say investigate, ODNI is not an investigative group, but they oversee all 18 federal intelligence agencies.
35:07
So they were tasked with getting into all of the data, the paperwork, the files from those agencies to figure out the top five or six of the president's agenda pieces, one of those being January 6th.
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I took this information to them.

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Where do we go? What are the coals? I guess they're gonna go to trial With coal, I think it's February of next year.
31:47
right so how did that how did that make you feel about the 94 to 98 percent Okay,
31:54
well, here is how the math works on that.
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And if we have any mathematicians, maybe in the comment sections in the video, wherever you post this thing, and I'll certainly share it on my X and Facebook pages as well, but...
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This is how the math works, is the FBI had designated two other persons of interest at the top of their list, POI-2 and POI-3.
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POI-3... owned and had purchased a metro rail card.
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And that's the train system that connects all of the DC metropolitan area, Maryland, Virginia, et cetera.
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And so he had purchased this rail card a year prior to January 6, and he loaned it to this person, person of interest number two, who used that metro rail card to go into DC on the morning of the 5th and then return back to Falls Church.

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Correct?
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But we heard
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all of that segment.
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I like to blame them for everything anyway.
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So, you know, so I made my way into the courthouse and waited for, you know, I have a little routine.
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I don't know what it is, but in the cafeteria at the United States District Courthouse, it's right across the street from the Capitol building.
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And I... love their peanut butter cookies.
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And it's the only thing I ever eat there.

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I don't think I, right now, I would say, I don't think I could do it knowing that heavy weight would be on my shoulders 24-7 and you can't get rid of it and still do the job.
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Is this an evidentiary hearing? Is this pertaining to any specific
80:30
issue? This hearing specifically only addressed two topics of which were both related to me personally.
80:38
The first issue was what you covered already, The relative court filings in the last week, week and a half related to the subpoenas for additional evidence on that third party individual that is also named that is suing me in the defamation lawsuit.
80:59
So we have we have a criminal case, the Brian Cole Jr. case running in parallel now to the to the civil case, which is the lawsuit against me.
81:09
And so obviously there's about a 90 percent crossover in terms of the evidence, which is going to cause great consternation to the judge as this thing moves forward.
81:20
But the bottom line is, is that what the government is trying to do is they're trying to keep the evidence out.
81:28
They literally argued in the courtroom today.
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What was, what's their, what was their argument in court as to why they need not communicate that?
87:06
Let's go.
87:07
So, so there's something that I, um, I haven't been purposefully sitting on this for a long time.
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It's just, I, I, I, I have s- I hate this aspect of social media, is that people, you know, because of the barrier of the internet between you and them, they, they love to attack.
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And one of the attacks that is constantly leveled at me is that I don't just release everything that I know right now.
87:35
Okay, well, that's not journalism.
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You...
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Some...

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I know right where it is
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dangerous alley in D.C.?
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Like you mentioned there, why would he go and pick the one can the furthest away and in the dark rather than a dozen cans that are in the light? Why did he go to the alley anyway for whatever reason when there were garbage cans at the trash bins at the Metro South Station? And he also had to pass God knows how many trash receptacles on the corner, every corner in D.C.
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to get there.
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So, I mean, we can talk about and conjecture about all of that all we want.
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But that's not the big story.
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This is the big story.
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Is that on January 19th.

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You were looking at her as a potential person, as the potential pipe bomber, or as the miscreant who was using less than lethal in a more than less than lethal manner?
34:53
They still have him in custody, right?
34:55
right?They do.
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He is, uh, still in pretrial, uh, confinement, and he will be, uh, unless something, a miraculous event takes place between now and February when his trial is scheduled.
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We're hoping, uh, to completely s- uh, blow that trial up before it ever gets there.
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And one of the things that we did is this new story that I released on, uh, Tuesday.
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I had come into information, a lead from a, um, Capitol Police whistleblower back in December.
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Shortly...

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Anyway, so it's just, I'm really, I, there's, there's just, there doesn't seem a way to vote our way out of this, does there, Steve?
1:12
He might play you in the movie when this is made.
1:17
So so here's the bottom line.
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At one o'clock on January 6th, there were a couple of things that were supposed to happen.
1:24
The first of which was that was the time of the gavel drop inside the joint session of Congress where the ratification of the Electoral College vote was taking place.
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And that is the combined houses of the House of Representatives and the Senate, obviously led by on that day, then Vice President.
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uh, president, uh, Mike Pence.
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And then the other thing that was supposed to happen at one o'clock on January 6th, 2021 was that there was supposed to be marches and legally permitted protests on the congressional or Capitol Hill lawn.

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And she's got that box in her hand.
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Maybe you can just tease us a little bit.
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All right, I'm just going to say this as pointedly as I can without giving away the punchline.
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Here's the bottom line.
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There is a story that I have known about from a law enforcement whistleblower in D.C., Capitol Police whistleblower, who informed me about a briefing that took place last October in which an FBI representative told a chairman of a congressional committee that and a handful of other gentlemen that were in the room, that in fact they had information that the cell phone number that pinged at both bomb drop locations, pipe bomb drop locations, on the night of January 5th, you know, the night before the big insurrection on January 6th, 2021, the next day, One of those bombs was placed behind the Republican National Committee headquarters.
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The other bomb was placed on a bench or near a bench by the parking garage entrance at the Democratic National Committee headquarters.
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Both of those bombs were found either side of 1pm the next day.
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They were planted the night before.

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You've got your
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He might play you in the movie when this is made.
58:26
So so here's the bottom line.
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At one o'clock on January 6th, there were a couple of things that were supposed to happen.
58:33
The first of which was that was the time of the gavel drop inside the joint session of Congress where the ratification of the Electoral College vote was taking place.
58:43
And that is the combined houses of the House of Representatives and the Senate, obviously led by on that day, then Vice President.
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uh, president, uh, Mike Pence.
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And then the other thing that was supposed to happen at one o'clock on January 6th, 2021 was that there was supposed to be marches and legally permitted protests on the congressional or Capitol Hill lawn.

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And she's got that box in her hand.

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