Mm.

Um, the story on this is, and it's such a bizarre story, I don't know what happened, why they're there, if they're kids, what they are.

But, uh, there's been people that were reporting that they would come...

Okay, some people would work at the St. Anne's Church, but then, you know, work in the kitchen or do whatever, and then they would come out and, like, say, if you smoke or whatever, you'll go out on a back stoop and walk out close to the little graveyard, which is adjacent to it, to the right.

And people would report seeing and hearing kids.

Well, you know, it's downtown, maybe there's kids.

But sometimes they would see these forms of these children, but they didn't... how to put it? They didn't look right.

No.

Mm-hmm.

Um, started hearing something and started looking around and saw a, a figure by a tree, and at first it kind of scared her.

She didn't know if it was a person that was escaping.

And then heard a voice and kind of recognized it, and she went over there and it was, it was her, her girlfriend.

And at first she was just sobbing, really couldn't communicate And she helped getting her up and she said, well, look, she's got sick, you know, throwing up.

She didn't tell her what had happened.

And she said, look, here, I'm just taking her home tonight.

Now, I know you said you don't necessarily go in and make the assumption of whether it was a demon or a once human spirit, but that was going to be my next question is if you had to do that, if you had to make some assumption or they were to, the people who this happened to, were to make some sort of assumptions as to what this was, is there any thought there of if this was something that is, for lack of a better term, something demonic or something that was not human that was doing this, the scratching, the pushing, the overwhelming feelings?

Mm-hmm.

And not to mention that if you were, have already sort of been a twisted up person, especially in the early days, what you may not understand is the penitentiary had, it had dungeons.

It had an area where, you know, you would take a trip.

They'd say, "Take him, take him for a, you know, take him for a walk downstairs," which usually ...

Um, I'm trying to think of the name of the movie.

It was a comedy, and there was a guy's mom, and she said, "Well, you can either leave by the window or you can leave by the stairs." And the first time he said, "We're not, we're not going down the stairs," and they threw, she threw him out the window.

And then they come back and they say, "Well, you can go by the window or you can go down the stairs." And they said, "Stairs." And they, they, she still threw him down the stairs.

Yeah.

But, but tell me, what was it like the first time you, you set foot there? Uh, what, what sort of feelings were you getting, uh, as far as, you know, emotional feelings about the building? Did you feel anything heavy in terms of paranormal, or was it more so just the heaviness of, of the knowledge you had of the, the history of the building? Tell me about that experience.

Well, you know, it's ...

I'm sitting here trying to reflect on it.

Obviously, yes, having a little foreknowledge of what's going on or what had been claimed, you know, that was there.

But, you know, when I'm hands-on with people, it's kinda like one of those things like, uh, you almost get in a car wreck and then you don't really get scared until after you're like down the hill like, "Man, that could've really went, went bad," you know? Um, it was more of a thing like that.

But yeah, definitely the, the whole facility has a really, really dark, sour, ominous feel to it.

I mean, okay, I would sort of describe it like, you know that feeling that you, maybe you have in church that, you know, in a really good situation you feel serene, you feel peaceful, you feel safe.

What were some of the follow-up stories that you heard from other officers about the penitentiary or even experiences that you had yourself?

Mm-hmm.

And not to mention that if you were have already sort of been a twisted up person, especially in the early days, what you may not understand is the penitentiary had, it had dungeons.

It had an area where, you know, you would take a trip.

They'd say, "Take them, take them for, you know, take them for a walk downstairs," which usually...

Um, I'm trying to think of the name of the movie.

It was a comedy, and there was a guy's mom, and she said, "Well, you can either leave by the window or you can leave by the stairs." And the first time he said, "We're not, we're not going down the stairs." And they threw, she threw him out the window.

And then they come back and they say, "Well, you can go by the window or you can go down the stairs." And they said, "Stairs." And they, they, she still threw him down the stairs.

Yeah.

But, but tell me, what was it like the first time you, you set foot there? Uh, what, what sort of feelings were you getting, uh, as far as, you know, emotional feelings about the building? Did you feel anything heavy in terms of paranormal, or was it more so just the heaviness of, of the knowledge you had of the, the history of the building? Tell me about that experience.

Well, you know, it's...

I'm sitting here trying to reflect on it.

Obviously, yes, having a little foreknowledge of what's going on or what had been claimed, you know, that was there.

But, you know, when I'm hands-on with people, it's kinda like one of those things like, uh, you almost get in a car wreck and then you don't really get scared until after you're like down the hill like, "Man, that could've really went, went bad," you know? Um, it was more of a thing like that.

But yeah, definitely the, the whole facility has a really, really dark, sour, ominous feel to it.

I mean, okay, I would sort of describe it like, you know, that feeling that you maybe you have in church that, you know, in a really good situation, you feel serene, you feel peaceful, you feel safe.

What were some of the follow-up stories that you heard from other officers about the penitentiary or even experiences that you had yourself?

Right.

You know, they had like the...

I think in Louisville they had, I think they had the Home, uh, for the Feeble Minded, and you know, those like Arkham Asylum sounding super spooky names, super un-PC names, but that's just how it was.

But, um, but yeah, I, I...

The way I went with that book, and, and I'll, and I'll not go too far into that obviously, 'cause we're talking about, uh, Louisville, um, it w- it touched me more personally for the fact that we do have special needs children that we adopted, and there were some really just horrifically sad stories in there.

Um, very short, violent, uh, you know, lives.

Very dismal, heart-wrenching, uh, just desolate li- lives, you know, spent wasting away inside of there.

So I thought I'd turn the microphone over to you for a few minutes and talk about the Pink Palace.

Mm-hmm.

And not to mention that if you have already sort of been a twisted up person, especially in the early days, what you may not understand is the penitentiary had, it had dungeons.

It had an area where, you know, you would take a trip.

They'd say, "Take 'em, take 'em for, you know, take 'em for a walk downstairs," which usually, um...

I'm trying to think of the name of the movie.

It was a comedy, and there was a guy's mom, and she said, "Well, you can either leave by the window or you can leave by the stairs." And the first time he said, "We're not, we're not going down the stairs," and they threw-- she threw him out the window.

And then they come back and they say, "Well, you can go by the window or you can go down the stairs." And they said, "Stairs." And they- they- she still threw him down the stairs.

Yeah.

But, but tell me, what was it like the first time you, you set foot there? Uh, what, what sort of feelings were you getting, uh, as far as, you know, emotional feelings about the building? Did you feel anything heavy in terms of paranormal or was it more so just the heaviness of, of the knowledge you had of the, the history of the building? Tell me about that experience.

Well, you know, it's...

I'm sitting here trying to reflect on it.

Obviously, yes, having a little foreknowledge of what's going on or what had been claimed, you know, that was there.

But, you know, when I'm hands-on with people, it's kind of like one of those things like, uh, you almost get in a car wreck and then you don't really get scared until after you're like down the hill like, "Man, that could have really went, went bad," you know? Um, it was more of a thing like that.

But yeah, definitely the, the whole facility has a really, really dark, sour, ominous feel to it.

I mean, okay, I would sort of describe it like, you know that feeling that you maybe you have in church that, you know, in a really good situation, you feel serene, you feel peaceful, you feel safe.

What were some of the follow-up stories that you heard from other officers about the penitentiary or even experiences that you had yourself?