Before we dive into this topic, Shed, can you just tell us a little bit about yourself and how you found yourself here today with us? Yeah.

So I've, since a young age, been fascinated by a couple of things.

So one, I grew up with a stutter.

So I'm really interested in what either gives us the confidence to use our voice or what makes us rather choose silence over using our voice.

So that's one.

And I'm a big believer that our purpose often lives in what have we had to overcome and can we help others overcome? So, A, I married a speech therapist, which is just a great joke for my kids and nephews because it is hereditary.

But it's also just...

That's so true.

I'm curious, in your life, as you lead or advise others and teach, has there been a similar crucible moment in your life that said, you know what, this is the right path for me?

I didn't really have a clear... vision of the career I wanted.

I knew I didn't want to do more school.

I've always sort of been entrepreneurial, intrapreneurial.

which means that I can be a bit of a tricky employee.

Like it takes a really good situation and a nice match with a leader who gives me quite a bit of autonomy for me to thrive.

Otherwise, I just get frustrated by bureaucracy and boxes and all those things.

What do you advise them to do?

That's, I mean, any kind of a layoff situation is a very heavy situation to walk into.

For sure, but it, it, it also helped me see, you know, a few months in, I was like, "This is not the place for me," both at this moment as well as whether it's bureaucracy or whatever, I just, I couldn't see a future there.

I had felt like I w- I had a ladder in front of me that I did not wish, wish to climb.

I remember sitting in my cubicle.

This was probab- I started in September of 2009, so this would've been right after the Christmas break, so took some time off with, with family over, over, over Christmas.

Came back in January, and I began to...

I remember there was a post from a friend of mine on LinkedIn.

So good.