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Stephen Shaw
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Sep 18, 2026
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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Leslie ShawGUEST
And I can see where they might breed these creatures for their different traits, you know.
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:19Stephen ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
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6:33Stephen ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
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6:38Stephen ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, she says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:55Stephen ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
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7:09Stephen ShawGUEST
My sister was kind of like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
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7:15Stephen ShawGUEST
She says, you know, "Where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells, ding, ding.
Cognitive Surrender and What it Means to Public Relations
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Doug DownsHOST
What were you asking people to do? What did you observe that led to the term that you coined, cognitive surrender?
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4:30Stephen ShawGUEST
Yeah, so we had participants who, you know, we had undergraduate students and people from the community come into the lab, and we also did it online.
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4:53Stephen ShawGUEST
And basically what this task allows us to do is to understand the reasoning process and how people come up with their answers.
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5:06Stephen ShawGUEST
So all of these logic and reasoning questions have sort of an intuitive answer, an answer that immediately comes to mind.
10 MINS LATER

Doug DownsHOST
What happens when more and more comms pros Don't do that pre-work and let the AI supply the first argument, the structure, or the framing.
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:15Stephen ShawGUEST
steven my closet doors opened and closed on me last night and i just was thinking oh dad it was a dream you know my dad was a cop in england for four years so he was like a no-nonsense guy he was in the raf so you know he was level-headed guy so anyway so we went to work so the next night I was, at that point in my life, I was just starting to study Tai Chi.
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6:40Stephen ShawGUEST
So, anyway, I was reading this book by Paramahansa Yogananda called Metaphysical Meditations, and I just thought, this is really cool stuff.
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6:51Stephen ShawGUEST
I said, Dad, you should read this, right? It is like 9 o'clock at night, and I give it to my dad, and about 20 minutes later, he came into my room with this weird look on his face.
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#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:00speaker_6ADVERTISER
you know,
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:00speaker_2ADVERTISER
you know,
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8:42speaker_7ADVERTISER
tap,
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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5:02Stephen ShawGUEST
So I grew up in a family that, you know, came from England, grew up in World War II as children, you know.
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#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:00speaker_6ADVERTISER
you know,
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#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:00speaker_8ADVERTISER
you know,
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8:55speaker_9ADVERTISER
what?
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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5:45speaker_3ADVERTISER
you know,
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#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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8:41speaker_7ADVERTISER
Yeah.
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#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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6:45Ashley IaconettiADVERTISER
Hmm.
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6:45Stephen ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
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6:59Stephen ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
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7:04Stephen ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
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8:35Ashley IaconettiADVERTISER
Harder each time, yeah.
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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7:02Stephen ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, hear these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
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7:16Stephen ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
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7:21Stephen ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
#425 | Leslie & Stephen Shaw | WHO THEY ARE & WHAT THEY'RE UP TO | Abduction 101
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5:19Stephen ShawGUEST
So I went into the living room, and sure enough, there are these ding, ding, just like Silver Bells, like the song, right, coming from inside the wall by the fireplace.
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5:33Stephen ShawGUEST
My sister was kinda like, you know, not really wanted to deal with any of this kind of stuff at the time.
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5:38Stephen ShawGUEST
And so my sister came in the room, says, "You know, where are those bells coming from?" So distinctly from a two-by-four wall next to the fireplace, okay, bells.
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