Um, but you know, what, what are the actual differences?

I mean, there must be a huge genetics advantage or, you know, the, the word of talent, for example, that would get thrown around.

And you know, a lot of people would be like, "Oh, you know, like talent's a myth," and things like this, but that's just unfair to say that because, you know, there's gonna be two athletes that have gone out there and broken three hours, and you're gonna have one athlete that has been working at this for the last 10 years of their life and really dialed into training.And they've, you know, finally got this breakthrough and, and got the right conditions on race day, and the training build-up went well for them, and they've hit that 2:59.

And then you have another athlete that probably didn't put in that much effort and still managed to go out there and run sort of, like, 2:59, and that has to be talent.

That has to be ability.

Um, and so for me, it's difficult for...

If I was to put it in context of how difficult would it be for me to run, say, sub three hours versus 2:30 versus 2:09 and versus down to, like, sub two, I honestly, I'm not joking, I ...

But, you know, what, what, what are the, what are your gu- what's your guidance to getting back out there?

What is it that you think makes people so obsessed with zone two? Probably the

factual answer would be the hype around zone two and cycling and stuff at the minute.

Probably like Tadej Pogacar, for example, and the time that these guys are talking about putting into zone two probably made it really, really popular.

From doing research and looking into it, I think it's the only zone...

Possibly it's the only zone that you can run in that helps improve everything below it and everything above it, perhaps, was the sort of, like...

That was what made it, like, the sweet spot of training sort of thing.

But in terms of, like, if you were going to track to train or if you could go out for a run, if you go to a track or train, you could do any type of training and you wanted to help your next race, like, your most bang for your buck is still going to be, like, VO2 max or tempo.

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